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ap47 · Oct 14, 2006, 01:01 AM // 01:01

I'm mainly a GvG player and mostly play HA when lacking people for GvG. I understand why many HA guilds are upset about the change to 6v6, but I do however think that it has brought the HA environment closer to GvG and TA, making the transition between the different types of PvP easier for new/previous pve players.

Personally I like 6v6 since it means my guild can play HA if we're short a couple of people for GvG, but I do feel sorry for the dedicated HA guilds that have put a lot of time and effort into their 8v8 builds.

As for gimmicks, I don't think they depend on the number of players as much as they do on the win-only system of HA (in terms of fame).

Nurse With Wound · Oct 14, 2006, 01:50 AM // 01:50

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Originally Posted by ap47

I'm mainly a GvG player and mostly play HA when lacking people for GvG. I understand why many HA guilds are upset about the change to 6v6, but I do however think that it has brought the HA environment closer to GvG and TA, making the transition between the different types of PvP easier for new/previous pve players.

Personally I like 6v6 since it means my guild can play HA if we're short a couple of people for GvG, but I do feel sorry for the dedicated HA guilds that have put a lot of time and effort into their 8v8 builds.

Finally a good post from someone who supports the 6v6 change. A post which is devoid of insults and flaming , like most of those here from 6v6 fans. It's good to see that there are also people who understand our situation, and arent blinded by envy, hatred or just plain shadenfreude.

Good sir, I also understand why you're supporting the change. But to be honest, anet shouldnt scrap compleatly game mode that was loved by so many, so gvg guilds could play something when they dont have enough people to play gvg.... Thats just plain wrongdoing that harmed the HA scene, probably beyond the repair ( as lots of good players left the game ). We still hope that the unwelcomed change can be undone. HA is dying... In 6v6 format henchway is running rampart, population is dwindling ( just 3 int districs today in euro prime time! ), lots of people are very upset, just stand in id1 and read for yourself.....

That's a pity that anet didnt consider two other choices, that would be much better. Namely changing TA to 6v6 ( TA is an empty place, almost no one plays there), or making another arena, for those bored gvg'ers that cant gvg, due to lack of people online.

Worse yet, they (anet) are still choosing to ignore the voice of HA community, ignoring the dwindling number of players in that arena, terrible quality of builds ( smite and henchway are 80% ), and discontent of the players ( yesterday message " Six v Six suuucks has won the battle in the Hall of Heroes" was priceless ).

Moreover, they try to cover it with lies ( ridiculus scribe article ).... Why does it have to be this way?

Developers : read those threads, consider our voice..... Some of us still have a hope.

tomcruisejr · Oct 14, 2006, 02:38 AM // 02:38

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Originally Posted by Nurse With Wound

Developers : read those threads, consider our voice..... Some of us still have a hope.

I can only think of 2 rollbacks that A.Net has done. First, the Rune Crash and the Signet of Might Bug.

As you know, A.Net doesn't flip flop that easily.

Cunning · Oct 14, 2006, 05:03 AM // 05:03

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I've had a ton of matches now where my team has SOLID players mostly R9++ and a solid strategy, and all it takes is for another team to barge in and gank us 2:1 in Scarred Earth for us to lose. GG.

Are you saying this didn't happen with 8v8 on Courtyard and HoH? I don't seem to have as much trouble as you do on Scarred Earth and Broken Tower, nor do I see much ganking against high-rank teams.

In 8v8 Scarred Earth, even if you win the first round you could have used up all your res sigs and be down one player, while the second team might still have full morale. Or you might find your team being charged at immediately after the first team resigns while your team is on half health.

Either way, it all depends on how the first match goes in Scarred Earth, and it always has.

Demo Something · Oct 14, 2006, 08:23 AM // 08:23

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Originally Posted by Cunning

Are you saying this didn't happen with 8v8 on Courtyard and HoH? I don't seem to have as much trouble as you do on Scarred Earth and Broken Tower, nor do I see much ganking against high-rank teams.

In 2 hours play we got ganked 5 times, pretty much on every broken/scarred.
Its getting pretty ridiculous when you start wishing there was an option to hide guild tag.

stueyman2099 · Oct 14, 2006, 08:50 AM // 08:50

Problems with politics influencing maps with more than 2 teams is nothing new, it's an inherent flaw of HA that wasn't resolved with the changes. That it happens more now though is most definatly a problem.

lambda the great · Oct 14, 2006, 10:59 AM // 10:59

"Scrubs"
scrub2 (skrb) Pronunciation Key Audio pronunciation of "scrubs" [P]
n.

1. A straggly, stunted tree or shrub.
2. A growth or tract of stunted vegetation.
3. An undersized or poorly developed domestic animal.
4. An undersized or insignificant person.
5. Sports. A player not on the varsity or first team.
6. Australian. Remote rural land; the bush.

You PvE Stunted TRee!
You PvP undersized person!

Sol Is Pyrrhus · Oct 14, 2006, 12:02 PM // 12:02

Nothing new for us. We've been getting ganked at every Courtyard for as long as I can remember...

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5. Sports. A player not on the varsity or first team.

In other words, someone who isn't first rate...

Mr Seph · Oct 14, 2006, 02:50 PM // 14:50

Yawn at 6 v 6 imo.
Ok, after 10 months (maybe more) of HA with 8 v 8, it tends to get a lil boring, and i found myself going back to PvE as well.
And yes, 6 v 6 was yippy, lots of fun at the start.
I remember, the first friday playing for fun with some friends, BOom, gank in the first map possible.
Ok, cuz we were playing for fun, laughing our asses off. But now, after 3 weeks of this stuff, 6 v 6 isnt fun / interesting anymore. HA used to have its fun, especially with guildgroups and all. Now, you dont even wanna go in with 4 people from the guild, just to keep that name off the screen in broken/scarred.
And yes, there used to be alot of ganks on courtyard and HoH as well, but with these new developments, they doubled the amount of gankmaps, which makes it 4 out of 8 maps with a possible gank, bring back 6 team burial plz.
6 v 6 has just made HA a bit more boring imo.
Of course, you see the low rank people happy, cuz they can get pugs easier now for some reason i dont know ( they claim they can ), but i think most r10+ people wont pug anymore, they prefer just playing with friends/guild.
And as many other people already said, it wouldve been better if another arena, just for 6v6 was made instead of changing the 8v8 HA.
Anyways, Nightfall PvE sounds more interesting to me then this 6v6 HA now :P

Lena A · Oct 14, 2006, 03:32 PM // 15:32

I love 1vs1vs1.

really funny!

Zoo X · Oct 14, 2006, 04:41 PM // 16:41

i am a GvG player by heart, if not playing GvG ill find myself at TA, eventually i do a bit of PvE in order to cap skills, and once in a blue moon, i play tombs, as a gvg player i am use to evolve with the game, must be one of the things that gvg players have in common, we are flexible, you have to be willing to change as the metagame drift.
i understand some people are really upset abount anet decision to make tombs a 6 vs 6 "arena" , i am sorry if you can not longer run the build you ve been running for the last 6 months, i am sorry that you are not longer able to play with your best 8 friedns at game, i am sorry if all the tactics you had in mind are not longer valid and you need a new ones.
But there is one thig at GW that i do belive most people here we can and we should agree, anet effords to keep this game evolving and "balance" are just brilliant, and i really think we should be happy to know anet is taking care of things( most of the times) another ways we would still suffering at GvG guild lords ganks right at the start, warriors high on gale, spiritspammers at tombs, old fashion smites and so on
so the bad news for some people, sorry guys, you just bought the wrong game, this game is gonna be evolving as longer people keep playing it, you just been caught in the middle of a big breakthrough in terms of a evolution, so my advice for you, evolve, or buy another game, remenber, evolution never goes backward, move on, evolve, adapt yourself and claim the kingdom back.
peace people

Y O U Lo Se · Oct 14, 2006, 05:11 PM // 17:11

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Originally Posted by Zoo X

i understand some people are really upset abount anet decision to make tombs a 6 vs 6 "arena" , i am sorry if you can not longer run the build you ve been running for the last 6 months, i am sorry that you are not longer able to play with your best 8 friedns at game, i am sorry if all the tactics you had in mind are not longer valid and you need a new ones.

As you say, you barely played tombs, and obviously, you don't know much about it. Don't reply to anything where you don't know sh*t off. Most guilds in tombs are running MORE different builds then any other GvG guilds rating farming. Get back to GvG and stay there.

Desires · Oct 14, 2006, 07:07 PM // 19:07

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Originally Posted by Y O U Lo Se

As you say, you barely played tombs, and obviously, you don't know much about it. Don't reply to anything where you don't know sh*t off. Most guilds in tombs are running MORE different builds then any other GvG guilds rating farming. Get back to GvG and stay there.

Once again you only help our point in the "Ub3r L3e7 HaR5" feel as if HA belongs to them and no one else.

ZiegDivine · Oct 14, 2006, 07:14 PM // 19:14

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We still hope that the unwelcomed change can be undone. HA is dying... In 6v6 format henchway is running rampart, population is dwindling ( just 3 int districs today in euro prime time! ), lots of people are very upset, just stand in id1 and read for yourself.....

Agreed. I was in halls yesterday (I'm an American) during euro prime times ... not only did we win favor for U.S. we faced only a few good teams. We faced ... henchway. Henchway in HoH during euro hours. Oh, the shame. Those kids didn't even have their hero with them. What is going on? In fact, the only reason we lost was because sM got lucky and the other team was ranger spike. They both tried to spike me down (I was the SA rangers), right after each other over and over. They got lucky, interrupted my SA, and we lost. The level of play in HA has really gone down.

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I can only think of 2 rollbacks that A.Net has done. First, the Rune Crash and the Signet of Might Bug.

As you know, A.Net doesn't flip flop that easily.

One was PvE (oh, that was a great day ... ectos and sup vigors for all) and the other was a GvG rollback. Isn't it time that HA got a little something as well (we're not even asking for a full rollback of these weeks ... just to change the arena back).

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I've had a ton of matches now where my team has SOLID players mostly R9++ and a solid strategy, and all it takes is for another team to barge in and gank us 2:1 in Scarred Earth for us to lose. GG.

TBH you shouldn't have too much trouble with ganking at Scarred Earth. Somebody should be watching for the third team, and positioning your own team away from them. If that doesn't happen, it's your fault you got ganked, you were just caught up between two teams. Manuevering has become important in HA now ... oh no.

tomcruisejr · Oct 14, 2006, 07:21 PM // 19:21

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Originally Posted by ZiegDivine

One was PvE (oh, that was a great day ... ectos and sup vigors for all) and the other was a GvG rollback. Isn't it time that HA got a little something as well (we're not even asking for a full rollback of these weeks ... just to change the arena back)

but you have to note that those rollbacks were for bugs that affected the integrity of the game. 6vs6 is a legit feature that was implemented and i wont see any rollback happening just because some people, especially those who sold their accounts and told us that they've quit, want it.

so to whiners, take it like a man or go away, stop shedding tears in forums and play WoW, i guess.

Apple · Oct 14, 2006, 07:42 PM // 19:42

Holy crap, i just agreed with Tomcruisejr

ZiegDivine · Oct 14, 2006, 07:56 PM // 19:56

So, you'd rather have a place full of people who don't know what they're doing (the current HA) than a place that has a decent amount of good teams, where the competition is actually present? The numbers of players in HA haven't changed, the number of henchway has gone up, etc etc. I mean, ffs, I win HoH on a nearly daily basis now. I'm not that ****ing good. HA is going downhill, and all that ANet is caring about is the number of players they have. Wow .. just wow.

Sol Is Pyrrhus · Oct 14, 2006, 07:56 PM // 19:56

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Originally Posted by tomcruisejr

so to whiners, take it like a man or go away, stop shedding tears in forums and play WoW, i guess.

All that needs to be said.

Zoo X · Oct 14, 2006, 09:41 PM // 21:41

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Originally Posted by Y O U Lo Se

As you say, you barely played tombs, and obviously, you don't know much about it. Don't reply to anything where you don't know sh*t off. Most guilds in tombs are running MORE different builds then any other GvG guilds rating farming. Get back to GvG and stay there.

hones mate, you don`t know sh*t off was a sentence you could have delete esealy before finally add your post, you did not , so the fact is that your smart, wise and mature post, reflect the kind of person you probably are, while you play games, or writte post at any given forum at internet.

peace brother

PD dont reply u dont need to, but if you need, in order to feel better, you can always send me a private message, so the people around wont waste their time with another one of those wise and smart post
paz

Y O U Lo Se · Oct 14, 2006, 11:00 PM // 23:00

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Originally Posted by Zoo X

hones mate, you don`t know sh*t off was a sentence you could have delete esealy before finally add your post, you did not , so the fact is that your smart, wise and mature post, reflect the kind of person you probably are, while you play games, or writte post at any given forum at internet.

peace brother

PD dont reply u dont need to, but if you need, in order to feel better, you can always send me a private message, so the people around wont waste their time with another one of those wise and smart post
paz

Ehm, this really has nothing to do with the thread at all.

You're saying that there was no variety of builds in HA, there was, in fact, ppl top giulds in HA are running more different builds then ppl in GvG run. Off course there are some high lvl builds in GvG, but as well in HA. There was a lot of variety, maybe you didn't see it because you didn't play it that much, then don't say anything about it. I played GvG and HA, how ever, I allways liked HA more, the argument that the builds in HA were stuck for months is NOT valid.

Else we can start about rating farming guilds in the GvG section if you want? There are so many guilds running the same in GvG, guess it needs a change badly.

Also ppl whining about: "if you don't like the change then gtfo here". You guys should learn to stand up for yourselves, guess you don't know what that means. If you do not agree with a change then CONFRONT them with it.

Don't feel like discussing about politics here, but I think you get my point, if you do not agree with a change then dont just sit down and cry but start to take action on the forums, because that's what they are for, if you don't like that, then don't read this forums. I payed for this game and I think I got the right to discuss here as much as you do.